Also, the guy said they usually apply the sealer one day, then one or two finish coats the next day (running into the 3rd day depending on how it dries). Its for a new build. When I put the natural stain on my floor it looks gray. I'm thinking of using HI-MACS LG Hausys solid surface countertops, which I think is similar to Corian. Natural came in too natural or raw (though thats what I thought I wanted). In Honor Of Design Oh cripe I had a whole response written out and it went poof. Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. He just did coat #2, not sure how much he used. We installed almost 3000 sq ft throughout our home and it is the most important feature of our renovation. The training may be 'free' but the cost to fly there, rent hotel room + food for 3 days (and lose 3 days worth of income) and fly back take money. Although, it can be used as a stand alone sealer. How are things holding up a ~year later? Heres a close up. Please dont post again while I figure out how to delete this post. Ive had 5 character grade white oak installed. Will Bona Mega keep the wood color natural and avoid yellowing over time? The refinisher must take the time and the money to go to a Bona 3-day training work shop. Due to it's ingredients, It is mainly used for custom color mixes with dyes and Bona's sport paint line for insane color schemes. You either pay the piper todayor you pay a couple more pipers in 15 yearsThe choice is yours. I'd love to know if you end up liking your final product and would welcome any photos! @widdy23 Seems like everything is taking longer than expected. See the before and afters and why we chose this color. Below Jack and Jill bath with Corian countertop AND Corian integrated sinks. If, youre looking for a small amount. We sell stone, fabricate and install countertops so we're there every step of the way which keeps me up to date on pretty much every stone that is used today. If those were red oak, they did a very good job toning down the red. (BTW - We ran into the issue with getting character grade mixed into our select a bit too, very frustrating!). More great information. It looks like the grain is *very* deep on the board to the left. We were going after the Studio McGee house look attached. will slightly darken the floors and sort of intensify the variation (the sample boards almost looked wet to me). It will not etch like Marble, but has a marble like appearance. @Moran Blueshtein, We are having about 3500 sq feet of the wood installed and finished plus stairs. If you are someone who loves the look of the 'raw floor' but you HATE the hazy look of NaturalSeal, then I HIGHLY recommend going with the satin. Get ready for a LONG story! The main thing to worry about when it comes to Quartzite is if it is actually a true Quartzite. I know one of the Milesi products in the natural effects side does contain a UV filter. Yes, thsts bleached and toned oak with a matte finish. There is a haze to the floors as someone posted its most likely due to the matte finish. I know this is a flooring product but the color was almost perfect. You might want to do some reading regarding matt finish. This is not designed to be the tough outer layer Another problem was that the Bona guy I called was not familiar with Loba products, and I am considering both. That's what I ended up doing. Thank you for asking. @mtpo did you ever post final pictures of your floor? Home Layout Changes - Full Remodel - Please help me decide! Web108K views 6 years ago. Sorry but that isn't the way things are done in the building industry. Will there be less haze if we use a satin finish? I did not pick our stain only from photos, we went to other houses and had samples done. (Just read the dog drool threads.) And finally, a 'fit' *might include costs.but it should be much lower on the list than you might think. carlyhow many coats of HD did they apply? If so, they are normal surface marking, nothing to worry about. I will ask him about Poloplaz Pearl and Pallman products as well.Would you suggest a satin or matte finish? We are looking for the same - any update on what you ended up using? (Ive read LOTS of old posts!). Don't change chemical companies in the middle of a refinish. Skip the 'money saving'. Yes, Trump2 I agree. My cabinets are a true white (forgot name of paint) and all of the Dekton with a white background was too gray. The finish guy said he put on 1.5 gal on the first coat of TrafficHD. I absolutely love the floors. I love your base molding, where do you buy that from? Many, many, many more professional grade finishes. But, my husband and I are closer in agreement. This only matters for porosity not hardness. The refinishers used "Bona Dri-Fast Natural Stain", "Bona Classic Sealer"*, and "Bona Mega Satin" (two coats). William Smith, D.D., was Attached is a photo of the hardwood unfinished without stain. Also what do you mean by toned oak? It could be as low as $2/sf. Trying to make this choice right now(within the next two hours- yikes! Also, Durasupreme got less than good reviews online. Dream Spaces: 12 Beautiful White Kitchens, White Cabinets Remain at the Top of Kitchen Wish Lists, Kitchen of the Week: Brick, Wood and Clean White Lines, Kitchen of the Week: A Designer's Budget Wood-and-White Makeover, New This Week: 3 Beautifully Balanced White Kitchens, Kitchen of the Week: White, Wood, Gray and a Backsplash Surprise, 5 Countertops That Look Beautiful in a White Kitchen, Kitchen of the Week: Fans of Traditional Style Go For a Mad Men Look. 3 coats in one day. Full text of "Report of the Commissioner of Education" Really not read much about IntenSeal? I want a natural look as well and I think I'll end up meeting with our floor guy sometime next week to go over samples. These will give you the raw look, which prints tend to show up on. If you wanted a specific COLOUR range (but didn't say anything about the look of raw wood) then the finisher brought what s/he sees people RIGHT NOW wanting (because it is trendy). And it is taking me some time to get used to a matte floor. Otherwise time will turn the white oak yellow regardless of how it looks when freshly finished. Thank you for posting a picture! HELP!!! Emily Henderson has a white metal railing in her split level home that is pretty gorgeous and widely photographed. Can they be easily buffed out with a non-scratch sponge? I would rather find a cabinet line that carries white oak in this stain than go with a cabinet maker. Do you know if the Milesi you ordered includes sealer to stop tannin bleed and a UV filter? Please convince me not to settle with maple. Unfortunately I don't remember how many layers of each. We see it FAR to often (as in DAILY) on this forum. They are *very* hard, and you will be hard pressed to find a coating that stands up to them), but it would tell you that the floor coating appears to at least be behaving. Red and white oak floors are increasing in popularity. That means a single guy can take his time. The 3 coats of finish (the expensive HD stuff) is the Gold Standardbut 2 coats + sealant is still very good. Part of me wishes we went satin finish bc I realized I do like a little sheen on a floor (just washed look). You should be able to try to scrape it (drag it hard across at any angle), dent it (press your nail in), etc, and nothing visible *at all* should happen. Nordic seal has white pigments. Houzz nutzt Cookies und hnliche Technologien, um Ihre Benutzererfahrung zu personalisieren, Ihnen relevante Inhalte bereitzustellen und die Produkte und Dienstleistungen zu verbessern. Make your home a homage to Scandinavian style or simply add a few nicely Nordic touches with this checklist of key features, Snowy cabinets and walls speak to a certain elegance, while marble counters whisper of luxury, Find out the most popular countertop, flooring, cabinet, backsplash and paint picks among homeowners who are renovating, Blizzard fierce or butter soft, white can highlight shapes, unify a room and perform miracles on the cheap, Engineered wood flooring offers classic looks and durability. And, to be fair to the above poster. I forgot to take a photo of the hand made air vent the installers made for the floor vent. The samples are done AFTER you hire the professional but BEFORE you put down the stain! The floors are super dusty in this photo as the soffits were just removed. STAIN OR LEAVE NATURAL??? Here is a link of various lighting for At Ease (it's not shiny at all). It was another rude comment from someone who was engaging in further confrontation.Ive already asked Houzz to delete the post. Those are STUNNING! I also have some design software that may help with your need. How should I adjust these home plans to save $ or improve the layout. Can you add some white to the Renner System? less. The raw wood that was laid (almost the whole house) looks beautiful. Working Bona Traffic is 10x harder than off the shelf stuff. Make sure your floor guys are real professionals and have experience using Bona. Did you use one or two coats of the Nordic seal? The coating should not come up. Then the installer goes over it a second time causing lap marks or white lines. I should add that I planned to use Bona Traffic HD finish as well since I read how durable it is and how it goes on clear without yellowing the wood. Oil wax floor finishes are poor choices for cabnet finishes. On their reactive stains and waxes: You can buy a sampler pack of both, or individual bottles. Three teenagers, a dog. I thought I was going with Pallman's white, because it was gorgeous on the 15"X8" sample but on the larger sample with a new bundle of wood it pulled way too pink, even on white oak. Would love to hear from anyone who has sampled these Sealers and what they thought. Its really helpful to see the product on YOUR wood. Okay we have decided to go with Bona Traffic HD in extra matte! Bona what made you decide to go with natural. The matte helps scratches blend. Then ask the fabricator about the stone you are considering if it's purchased from a separate slab yard. I always keep at least 100 bundles of stone in stock that I personally hand pick so I purchase thousands of slabs a year. I have been on these boards so many times looking for advice and photos from what others have done. Every client after that training will pay extra for his/her expertise. All you have are tge home centers to choose from. Thank you. We did samples on floor and two coats looks significantly different. If you have 3000sf then the $2500 upgrade is nothing. He is also meeting with Sherwin Williams this weekend at a trade show in Vegas and will see if there are any better options to achieve the Studio McGee look on rift white oak we are all looking for. are you happy with it 2+ years later (and is it holding up well with food/oil stains etc) please share any details, like if you had 2 or 3 coats. A new color true black is introduced by Duraseal. The pillow is from our sofa. The 'oil based' finishes that base costs of a finish allow 45 MINUTES of wet edge. Finalize your sanding with 150 grit and apply the first coat. Think about going stylishly dark instead, The international shows designers bring the focus back to the craftsmanship and luxurious materials of the 1920s, See why an engineered wood floor could be your best choice (and no one will know but you), Gleaming wood floors are a thing of beauty. Why would you use Bona Nordic Seal (Bona productobviously) and then go with LOBA??? WebBona AB is a family-owned, sustainably-driven company that supplies products for installing, renovating, maintaining and restoring premium floors. Again, just make sure that you are getting professional grade rather than DIY grade product. If you do NOT want ORANGEthen stay away from "oil" based finishes or "oil modified". We only did two and are already seeing wear and tear on the first floor in our main living space. You should be able to try to scrape it (drag it hard across at any angle), dent it (press your nail in), etc, and nothing visible *at all* should happen. Some comments that NaturalSeal has a slight white cloudiness? The builder had choices for us, this or that type of choice. Brazilian Floors did the installation and finishing. I think over the years, they learned how to avoid distressed clients who hate the finished floor color. But was the Bona Traffic absolutely clear? Forget prefinished. My kitchen is the opposite of yours with white cabinets and gray countertops and I like the way my natural white oak floors warm it up. Apply and wipe off excess. Press it very hard into the coating, and rip it up. Please help on base, crown, window, door molding size decision. I just had four rooms of 30-year-old white oak floors sanded down to the raw wood and refinished with Bona products. I have read so many wood floor horror stories. How are you liking it so far? ), Make sure your installer has experience using the Bona products and especially the Nordic. Red oak floors look horrible, help with light stain colors needed! Or is Minwax and Duraseal the same thing? Im glad we didnt go darker. Granite and Quartzite have completely different make-ups. Our contractor informed me that it is significantly more expensive, $2500 more expensive. Thanks so much in advance!! Good luck! I hope they hold up to daily use. Yeah, thats what I am realizing. I have read through almost every post here looking to see how to get the most natural finish without yellowing. Is there a really hidden section (you only need about 1 inch square) that you don't mind possibly damaging? The wood Is white oak from Norway (from Cochrans in Virginia). Seems I also read that it may not even cover that much some places. WebApplication of the sealer will alter the chemical structure of the porous sandstone or natural stone providing a excellent water repellent and stain resistant surface. I did a lot of research and planned to try Bona NaturalSeal, Bona ClassicSeal and Bona NordicSeal on this round of samples. The white background wasnt a true white but it wasnt bad and the marbling was pretty. I read that Natural has a bit of white in it too to avoid the yellow, but unsure if that is fact. However, I think the maintenance is much harder than what I previously had - natural red oak with a higher sheen. Hi! How should I adjust these home plans to save $ or improve the layout? A gallon of Varathane = $80 (Home Depot). Your floor looks amazing. I did a larger sample of Unico smoke, covered with their Titan (goes on with a roller) and tested it with salty water, red wine and vinegar. Bona p.s. It's a installer issue. They didnt have classic to sample, but the sand/finish guy said it would be closer to the Natural than IntenSeal. Sure, white kitchens are beautiful when theyre sparkling clean. My installer did 2 coats of Nordic Seal today. See the photo below if you open the photo you will see the raw wood. Hd and Supra extra matte does not. White Oak: Floor Pros! Qs on Nordic and Bona haze Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. I lost confidence in my floor guy - I think he wasn't wiping the stain off but letting it dry on resulting in washed paint look. I had a question as to why you decided only to do one coat of Nordic as opposed to the recommended two? If you search my other discussions on this site, youll see how I flip-flopped so many times Corian, stainless, Neolith, D e k t o n, Quartz, wood (for the island top) and finally back to Corian. Sigh. WebBona Natural Seal stain on white oak hardwood floor and 3 coats Bona Traffic HD Matte on top. I am nervous about this and I'm wondering if anyone had trouble with white streaks on their floor? WebAn icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. Bona Natural Seal on the top, Bona Nordic Seal on the bottom. My husband and I had 5" white oak floors installed and we are like the look of one coat of Bona Nordic Seal and two coats of satin water based polyurethane on our floors. The bleaching added to the cost and another opportunity for something to go wrong. The NordicSeal is a great product for red oak it safely bleaches the wood and removes the harsh red tones. Mega is the 'cheap' level of the Bona line-up. Here are some of my samples. (followed by Traffic HD). I prefer to see 3 coats of the finishbut the Bona sealants are designed to be 'film building' sealants so they will add to the performance. I would have loved to find a simpler, cheaper, regular old stain, but they just don't give me the same look I'm trying to achieve. @Ashley Your floors look beautiful. My tub with quartz top. (Please do not tell us to order pre-finished floors or use an oil finish. That seems light to me, but he said it was sufficient (that word doesnt make me feel convinced). Many people would give their eyeteeth for floors of that quality. @tkgriff Thanks for sharing the photos. This looks to be pretty natural with a very matte finish. One coat Bona Natural Seal A very slight natural stain similar to the white oak color of our floors. Loba in any of its water based formats (low gloss keeps it from looking "finished") options will do exactly what you want. They don't like doing it - because they go through SOOO many screening discs (I've heard of more than 12 discs being used in one home). Hard to believe contractors would use your countertops as work bench! If not, you can at least trivially test the floor: First. We are prepping for a remodel and I have been using my kids roll of art paper and taping it to the ceiling to construct mock ups of potential walls. If you want a bit of "yellow depth" to the floor, then work with an oil modified. @Renee Czeryba, Natural SEALER and Traffic HD. WebBona - WM710013496 - 16.5 in. The good news is the installer will have learned his lesson: do NOT under bid a project just to win it. I want to make sure the floor is fully coated and not have to buff and finish again sooner than would normally be necessary. In this angle Nordic is on the right and Natural is on the left. WebBona sealer to avoid uneven tannin pull due to using a water based poly, (especially on white oak), no stain, then Bona Traffic HD. Of the Bona sealers, NordicSeal looks to white to me and AmberSeal - well the name says it all, trying to stay away from the amber look. And you want to have 3 coats total. We peeked through the windows and the floors are covered with brown paper. I adore the light color, but every little water spot shows, or a splash of spilled coffee. Refinish Red Oak Flooring How Are You Gutsy Enough to Paint Your Floor White? Hi M, thank you! Our floors were recently finished I havent seen them yet. Most of the base cabinets are covered with cardboard to protect them. The edge is not as nicely finished as the Corian. They achieve 95% FULL CURE after 5 days. I believe there is a local one and I plan to at least explore that. It was not supportive or helpful. And cure times are the BEST case scenario (temps and humidity are ASSUMED to be PERFECT = they NEVER are in a home setting = please leave an extra day). I think of a coat of sealant as 1/2 a coat of finish. There are some lap lines on the floors from the sealer. I plan to call the Bona company tomorrow to get their assistance. They look closer to the raw wood tone. DH wants to just go with light maple cabinets and I am tempted. A unique way of customizing your floor from a light whitewash to successive coats, providing a truly Scandinavian look. Ha. From all Ive read, it seems Bona Traffic HD is the way to go on the finish coats. The "real" professional-grade products view DuraSeal/Minwax (owned by the same company) to be 'DIY' level products. Thank you, I don't know the specific name of it. A history of Savannah and South Georgia : volume II @mtpo We are also considering the Bona nordic seal on white oak. So hand rail and newl postadvice would be appreciated! Ill post more photos- the site only lets me post one at a time. It is 3/4 x 5 solid white oak hardwood. That doesn't sound like what you are after. WebWhen refinishing oak floors, achieving a natural/untreated look can be challenging, particularly when color matching red and white oak in one area of the home. I screwed that up a few times. Argh. Nice when a risk pays off . It shouldn't if it's in good shape, but don't know what shape it's in, so figure i'd warn you. You are looking at putting the cart before the horse. Christina check out Rubio monocoat Gris belge Havana Slate grey These greys are very popular and with the matte sheen you will absolutely love them. However, I failed to visualize the tan natural against the grey bathroom tile. NordicSealis an easy to use water-based sealer from Bonawhich you can use it to achieve this popular whitewashed look. Thank you and the pros who commented for the valuable info! Someone else on here suggested Durasupreme. Im struggling with the same issue thanks! You only need an inch. The cost of the floors is such a big expenditure that I didnt even ask the installer if or how much he was charging me for the samples I chalked it up to the overall cost of the floors. Bona NaturalSeal has a bit of white pigment (less than NordicSeal). Give a price you can make a living off of and let someone else win the low ball estimates. Intense seal will cast yellowing. I completely understand the desire to keep it open between the kitchen and lower level because you want to keep the sight lines and feeling--but perhaps you should just "try" closing it off and see how it feels. I settled on something I didnt love and it turned out it was one of the most expensive ones. skip to main content Sale ON SALE - UP TO 75% OFF Bathroom Vanities Chandeliers Bar Stools Pendant Lights Rugs Living Room Chairs Dining Room Furniture Wall Lighting Coffee Tables Side & End Tables Home Office Furniture Sofas Bedroom Furniture Lamps Mirrors FURNITURE The Corian fabricator came back and polished them just like new. Contact your Bona rep to understand all the options with the Bona System or view our catalog here: https://bit.ly/3eqqhSK. The natural tones of the wood will allow the rest of the space to look it's best. Over the years, theres been a lot of things Ive cut costs on, but I feel it doesnt pay to skimp on a major feature of my new house that should last for a very long time. My contractor said that I will probably need to use the renew oil every few year which I am fine with. They're supposed to start the finish tomorrow morning and it is Bona MEGA clear. Also is he recommending abrading between the coats? Has anyone applied the Bona Nordic and HD to white oak stair partsnewel posts/rails ? Bona Erfahren Sie hierzu mehr in der Houzz Cookie-Richtlinie. I could only post one photo at a time. They should be able to get the job done for you. Did 4 coats of nordic and 3 traffic hd on 1 dollar a sq foot utility 4 inch white oak but some was red oak as well but still my dog likes it. It shouldn't if it's in good shape, but don't know what shape it's in, so figure i'd warn you. Two things to do: First, drag your fingernail across it, see what happens. @HU-6868130 your herringbone looks amazing! It would have been better to ASK if they put on all 3 coats in one day. If that's OK to do (ie I remember hearing it's a problem when you apply more layers like poly but I'm not sure) it might work for you. I like the stains that are made by the same company that makes the finish. P.P.S. If you like the look of your raw white oak floors then NaturalSeal is your best bet. I have it in my home. I know I've gone on for a while. Compare that to the 2 MINUTES you have with Bona! White These people end up crying themselves to sleep because they HATE their floors (and the massive price tag they just paid for). I recall having 3 layers - but my old post notes 4. G&S generally makes great comments and has solid analysis but in this case he assumed something not in evidence and commented based on that. Anything over 700 square feet for me is done in multiple days.