The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Have to completely agree you T2. Shaming is one thing. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. Right? Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Is Tilly leaving 'Discovery'? Star Trek star explains that shocking Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. Its sci-fi, brah. It is one thing to be healthy and quite another to be reed-thin and healthy. I admit, has been a roller coaster between each season. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. Thats the thing about DSC. That promise was. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? ICYMI: NYCC Season 4 Trailer - TrekMovie.com I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. Tillys a fantastic character. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. My preference would be to set it post TUC but quite frankly any other established era would be fine. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. WATCH: Moments of Discovery - Tilly's Snowglobe | Star Trek Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. It was so fun. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. And so she will be part of this universe and this world for many years to come. Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. And tons dont. Mary Wiseman Talks Tilly's Return And Future On 'Star Trek: Discovery' She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. You misunderstood. Please back up your statement. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. Well said, Edward. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and David Ajala Dish and Discuss I define me. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? Doug Jones Transforms into Star Trek: Discovery's Saru | Star Trek American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. Where I live people compete on the merits. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. You made very good points and I do agree. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. So I was also just very excited for the fans. That could be it. The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. Shes not going anywhere. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. Thank you for your counter opinion. Shes changed. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. I mean, it was just so fun! And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? Well, Renos really more engineering. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. Yes, The Expanse. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. I found him quite annoying, myself. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Is Tilly leaving Star Trek: Discovery? Mary Wiseman's fate - HITC That will be the one I read first! Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. | December 23, 2020 | The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. Tilly is Trekdom. Have to disagree. Have you ever read those? Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. So. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. Was that really a Betazoid characteristic or was she just reading faces and gestures? Tilly accepts herself but she rises to challenges, leads in a crisis, is there for her friends but still explores what she wants for *herself*, and mentors others to help them grow! Sharing? Overcome her issues. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. Yes! Tons do, yes. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. ;). Is Mary Wiseman Pregnant? Weight Gain And Pregnancy Rumor Of The No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. Is Tilly leaving Discovery? - Everycareinternational.com All are Trek! Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. And the only family she has is on that ship. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. She could of made it what we call General American/mid-Atlantic to neutralize it a little. If Tilly needed to pick up a phaser or be physically active then that means the Discovery is in some serious shit, with it either having been boarded and their entire security personnel neutralised, or with Tilly separated from the ship, most like due to its destruction. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. Right!? Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Ive never liked Tilly. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. I can see myself having a few bottles of synthehol with him. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. I cant stand any sentence (especially related to DSC) which starts off with Everybody loves Its never true. It is not OK to be overweight. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! But it would seem to me that it might ought to be standard practice to have a Betazed on the bridge on all starships if those stills were so needed. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. Too nervous and anxious. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. 71 comments so far. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. And a. Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Shes a little overweighed, so what? She is super meta. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. Is Mary Wiseman leaving Star Trek: Discovery, role of Tilly? - CarterMatt KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. Is Tilly Pregnant in Real Life? Star Trek Cast's Weight Gain Story They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. the only one worth saving.. quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. Good for her, and I love the character! I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. Hopefully its . David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. Samarkand? Diplomacy? She strikes me as no different than Barkley. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. Btw, I really liked the scene of Tilly and Burnham running back in S1 and eating protein, carbs and fat post workout. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. Wiseman would be smart to ignore the haters because their posts are rooted in negativity and hate. Just underused. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. The journey to discovering Tilly, the rescue puppy that would change our lives, began before she was even born. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. Story: With . I think you are talking jibberish. Rumors started when some problematic fans of Star Trek Discovery found out that she gained a few pounds between the seasons. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. Its participation trophy trek. Jerks. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you